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Authors: Shmuley Boteach

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It would be nice if the people who now own and run Neverland would consider honoring Michael's wish and build the child star museum that he envisioned. Perhaps it would be a valuable lesson to all those parents who push their children into early acting careers.
SB: Are you going to see her again?
MJ: Oh yes. I'm going to invite her to Neverland. She told me to make sure to say hello to Elizabeth. She kept asking about her.
SB: Do they know each other?
MJ: They have seen each other and spent some time together. But I told Elizabeth today and she said, “Ohhh. You must say Hi from me.” I told Elizabeth I spent the weekend with her, and she says, “You did?” I said, “Yes.” And she was shocked that I went up there. It was great.
SB: What was it about Shirley Temple, her specifically, that touched you so deeply, and do you think that every little girl can have a Shirley Temple inside her?
MJ: Her innocence, how she made me feel good when I was so sad. It wasn't so much her dancing and singing. It was her being. She was given a gift to make people feel good inside. All children have that but, man, she is so angelic to me, and every time I see her, it can be on a film or a picture, I feel so good. I have her pictures all in the room there. It makes me so happy.
SB: Did you see Shirley Temple in Shirley Temple Black when you met here? Was she still the little girl? Was she like you? Did she retain that child-like innocence, or did you bring it out in her? MJ: It's still there. She is so sweet.
SB: How many people do you meet who are like that? Is it realistic? Do you meet a lot of adults around whom you can be defenseless and who you don't have to have your guard up for, or feel intimidated by?
MJ: Very few.
SB: So very few have achieved this. Is it people like Elizabeth Taylor, specifically childhood stars? People who didn't have a childhood spend their lives trying to regain it and that's what makes them child-like?
MJ: Yeah, and some people just have it naturally. A lot of creative people have it, and they had great childhoods. I have met them and worked with them, like directors and writers, and it's like we are all the same in that way. We all collect the same stuff, are fascinated by the same stuff. I see it. I go to George Lucas's basement and all the stuff he collects is the same stuff I collect. Steven [Spielberg], same
stuff I like and collect. We swap notes on collecting things. It's simple things like old bubblegum cards or certain magazines. . . to original Norman Rockwell paintings. I mean I was at Steven Spielberg's house today and he has got the most beautiful original Norman Rockwell painting. It's so big and beautiful.
In New York Michael took me to a dealer whose entire showroom was crowded with original Norman Rockwells. Michael ran from paintng to painting, excitedly explaining every detail to me. I have rarely een him so animated.
Elizabeth Taylor: A Special Bond
Michael Jackson: Elizabeth Taylor is very childlike. There's nothing that you can do when she'll say, “I don't want to do that.” When
Bug's Life
came out, she bugged me over and over to fix my schedule so we could see the cartoon. So we had to go to a public theater at about 1:00 o'clock. She makes me go out every Thursday because she says I'm too reclusive. Everybody's at work, so there's no one there and we never pay. . . we come with nothing and they always say, “Oh, my God, Elizabeth Taylor and Michael Jackson.” We get free popcorn, everything. She loved
Bug's Life
and loves Neverland. She'll go on the carousel and the Ferris wheel, but not the scary rides.
There are other childlike qualities of Elizabeth Taylor. She was in
Jane Eyre
around eight or nine. Our fathers were very much alike, tough, hard, brutal. She's playful and youthful and happy and finds a way to laugh and giggle even when she's in pain. She's ready to play any game, go swimming. She's very good with children. She loves toys and cartoons. I get to learn so much from her. She'll tell me about James Dean and Clark Gable and Spencer Tracey and Montgomery Clift, because she did movies with all these people. She tells me what they were really like, the ones who were nice people and the ones that weren't.
We were in Singapore—she came on most of the
Dangerous
tour with me—and we decided we wanted to go to the zoo. And we hung out and had our own private tour and we had fun. She's Prince and Paris's godmother and Macaulay's their godfather. She's just retained that little girl quality. That little child you see in
Jane Eyre
and
Lassie Come Home
, that's still in there. It's in her eyes. She has this glow like a child. It's so sweet. But Shirley [Temple Black], too. She says, “You get it, don't you. You're one of us.”
[Elizabeth Taylor and I] we're like brother and sister, mother and son, lovers. . . it's a potpourri. . . it's something special. We go through this whining thing on the phone. . . “I need you. . . .” “Oh, I need you, too.” We can talk about anything. She's been my most loyal friend. She says she adores me and would do anything for me. She says Hollywood has to write a movie for the two of us. We just have to do something together.
Shmuley Boteach: Do you get jealous when she dates other men? She got married in your backyard.
MJ: Do I get jealous? Yes and no. I know that if we ever did anything romantically, the press would be so mean and nasty and call us “The Odd Couple.” It would turn into a circus and that's the pain of it all. You know, I push her in a wheelchair sometimes, when she can't walk. It's none of their business what we have together. I have to be with people like me. Some rappers will say to me, “Let's hang out. Let's go down to a club.” And I'll say, “What? Let's hang? I don't think so.” That kind of thing's not a party for me.
On that tour [
Dangerous
], she fed me because I wouldn't eat. When I get upset, I stop eating, sometimes until I'm unconscious. [The molestation allegations had just been lodged against Michael while he was on tour in 1993. Hence, the reason for his upset.] She took the spoon and opened my mouth and made me eat. She said she wouldn't let me go without her, and her doctors advised her not to go. She went to Thailand and followed the tour all the way to London. I ended up at Elton John's and he was really sweet hiding me. He's one of the sweetest people you could meet on this planet. He and I took care of Ryan White, all his medical expenses.
Then they started doing it intravenously. I go through these serious food crises when I could go weeks without eating. I take stuff to keep weight on. What turns me off is that I don't like eating anything that used to be alive and now it's dead on my plate. I want to be a strict vegetarian, but my doctors keep trying to throw in chicken and fish.
PART 8
ON CHILDREN AND INNOCENCE
Can Children Teach Us Love?
Many of you reading this are no doubt of the opinion that Michael gravitated toward children for all the wrong reasons. But it is worth hearing his words here. Michael would tell me constantly that he loved innocence. Now, remember. Michael was performing in clubs from the age of five. He shared with me that he used to see strippers and other adult scenes as a small child. As I've consistently maintained, it is very possible that he came to associate sex with something perverted and corrupt. He was seeing things that no child should witness. Hence, his love of innocence. Children were innocent. They provided a refuge from this prurient world into which Michael had been immersed. There is a powerful lesson here for all the parents out there. Be careful of exposing your kids to adult content. It can scar and damage them for life.
Shmuley Boteach: Do you think children can teach us love?
Michael Jackson: Yeah, in a different way because they are so affectionate. They can teach us affection and it is quintessential affection and it is pure innocence. That's why I love them so much. I was telling Frank the other day, “Frank, I am in love with innocence, that's what I'm in love with. That's why I love children so much.” Innocence is God. To be that innocent and approach things with such a sweet outlook on life, with truly just sweet. . . Where a kid will walk around the house and you'll go, “What are you doing?” and they answer, “I don't know, playing.” It's so sweet. I love that. That's why [in] the painting [on a wall in Michael's house is a picture showing hundreds of children playing at Neverland]. . . one kid is screaming in the wind because he is feeling so good. He is just screaming to be screaming. I
love
that. Romance. Romance.
SB: Almost like they believe in love, they are not afraid to get hurt. People are afraid to love today.
MJ: [Are] love and romance two different things? That's why I am getting confused. I see romance as something that is longed for. You long for that out of a stage.
SB: Do you see romance as contrived by Hollywood movies?
MJ: Yes. Very.
SB: Kids are a bit romantic. They have romances in kindergarten. MJ: You mean like crushes on other kids?
SB: Yes.
MJ: Yes, they do. They can teach you to be loving and sweet and they teach us in that way that probably. . . They give everybody a chance and I teach Prince and Paris to love everybody.
Why Michael Remained Childlike
Shmuley Boteach: When people use the expression
adult
, it can mean mature, balanced, educated, temperate. It can mean patient. But it also has negative connotations that I want you to comment on. It can connote being cynical, untrusting, scheming, manipulative, corrupt, judgmental, scarred. Tell me some of the negative things that adults learn as they grow older.
Michael Jackson: They just have so many problems, adults. They have been so conditioned by other people's thoughts and feelings. That's why I don't trust most dogs. It's not the dog. It's because people in-still what they believe and all their anger and frustration is embedded in that dog and he becomes this vicious, crazy thing. And I don't know what kind of package he is bringing to me when he comes up to me and sniffs me. So it's like another adult. That's why I get afraid.
Indeed, when we met Michael amid having every animal under the sun, including tigers and elephants, he had no family dog. Michael asked me why we didn't have a dog either, and I said that I was concerned the children would not take care of it. Then, just before my daughter Chana's
tenth birthday, Michael called from Neverland. “Shmuley, will you be angry if I get the kids a dog, just a real little one?” “Well Michael, that's real nice of you. But as I said, I'm concerned that the kids won't take care of it.” A day later, the door bell rang. There was no one there. But on the doorstep was a beautiful toy Maltese puppy. The kids were thrilled. Marshmallow, as the children named her, has been a member of our family ever since. A few weeks later, when Michael came for dinner with his kids, his children played with the dog and begged him for a dog as well, a request that Michael finally granted, telling me that our puppy had helped him get beyond his own fears of dogs. But then, our pet was his gift.
SB: So you want to know what the person's motives are. You want to know if he has a vicious nature or. . .
MJ:
Yesssss
. But that is the perfect representation of what people have let themselves become. Somewhere along the line they have gotten lost and I believe in just staying childlike and innocent and simple. As Jesus said, “The greatest among me is like this little child here. Be like him and you are the greatest in my eyes.” When a lot of adults first come to me, they look at me and they are checking out what you are wearing and who you are with. I see it. Then once they speak to me and they see that I am just a simple person who wants to be a friend, their heart melts. I see it.
SB: So children are accepting initially. They don't judge.
MJ: Yes, they let it all hang out. Kids go, “Oh my God, it's Michael Jackson.” And I go, “Hi.” An adult will smile and go, “Hi.” Then, judging it a little bit, they go, “I like your stuff,” but they won't let it all come out. [They won't let themselves appear impressed.]
SB: Why won't they? Why do they bottle up their enthusiasm? Are they trying to show, “I'm not going to be won over by you. . . I'm a person, too.” Is it insecurity?
MJ: They are having a psychological warfare going on, how to approach me, what to say, what not to say. [But what I want them to know is that they should] just be yourself, be like a child. Be innocent. Be the way you were when you were born.
SB: Maybe what you are saying to them is this: “I am not trying to be bigger than you. I am who I am, and you just be who you are.”
It's almost as though you are saying that children are more of your equals than adults are.
MJ: Of course they are. I can relate to them much easier. They don't come with all the baggage or stuff. They just play. They don't want anything from you. You don't want anything from them but love and innocence, and to find true happiness and magic together.
SB: It's also like adults make you into someone you don't want to be. You don't want to be defensive and artificial and you don't want to have stupid small talk. When kids come to you with all this enthusiasm you are Michael. But around adults you come with another agenda. You give the analogy of the dog. You don't know how to react so you get defensive. They make you into someone you don't want to be.
MJ: That's right. That's why I have become. . . not to say that I have let them win the war, but I just don't care to be around them. You can put the message out there. We will change a lot of people [to be more childlike]. We will literally and mentally baptize them with our words and our books, whatever we are doing. But there are so many out there who have shut the door mentally and they don't want to be changed and they refuse to see the light. But we could help a lot of people, a lot of them are just very, very hard. They have been so conditioned. But I believe you can change a lot of people. That's what's so wonderful about it all. You can show them. There are grown-ups who come to Neverland and they say to me, “You know, I haven't done the things I have done here in years. . . you can let your guard down and be a child again.” I say, “That's what Neverland is for. To return to your innocence. To have fun.”
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